ESB:User rights review/Auron~Guardian (part 2)

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Introduction

See here: ESB:Discussions/Auron~Guardian sockpuppetry case for the original discussion. As there were many different opinions in deciding the severity of the punishment or not punishing Auron from certain things

Discussion

Here, there are different choices as to the punishment based on the sockpuppetry case and chat discussion. This discussion will end on Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 10:30 a.m. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:20, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Block

How long should Auron be blocked from editing?

Block: None

• Template:Extremely Strong Support while Auron's actions may be punishable by a block, he is not hostile and has taken this very well. He deserves no block. A block is used to prevent someone to edit and is only legitimate if the block is preventing damage to the wiki. In Auron's case, a block is not necessary. His contributions are good, and he does not vandalize or mess up pages. If a punishment is supposed to teach him a lesson, what is this teaching him? It's teaching him that he cannot help build the wiki. It hurts the building of the wiki. If someone wants to help build this wiki, they can do so. If they are going to hurt the wiki, they need to be block. Auron is one who helps the wiki. He has not vandalized or messed up pages. Since this sockpuppetry case began, he has not argued with us. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:23, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

• No offense, but uh...you're kinda being a hyporcrite to this wikis rules, I mean seriosuly? it says right in the rules that a person should not have more then 1 account, unless an admin accepts it, so Auron did of course brake a rule right there. Dinosaur250 (talk) 20:51, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, so we suspend his priviledges. I don't think the wiki should suffer by preventing Auron from contributing. 120d wasn't blocked for a long period of time until he requested it voluntarily. 120d had great contributions, and was still allowed to edit. If someone wants to volunteer their spare time to build this encyclopedia with positive edits, they can do so. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 20:58, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

• Comment I will also point out that this is Auron's first offense. There is a term called "mitigating factor," in which the punishment may be less severe due to the offender's past actions. This is his first offense, and his contributions to the wiki are positive. He was in good standing until this case occurred. Now, if Auron had committed other policy violations in the past, that would yield a block, depending on the circumstances. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 21:27, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose This guy broke everyone's trust, lied, cheated, deceived, manipulated... he broke local rules, global rules. Having no block is just plain ridiculous. Joey ^(talk)
• Template:Weak Oppose I agree Auron should be blocked. I do however feel that the time has passed. If we were to block him it should have been done much sooner and then have a discussion. --Spongebob456 ^talk 15:39, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Support I pretty much agree with Andrew on this. I think he still deserves a right to edit. - Spongebob2567 23:25, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Support Per AMK. Lumoshi (talk) 21:44, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Strong Support No block from editing is needed. Auron still makes great contributions and with users leaving left and right here, we could use the extra help. ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  21:54,10/9/2014  21:54, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - Short. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 
• Oppose - I recently learned that Auron used his sock not only to cheat on his requests, but to trash ESB on his behalf. This was more than just a cry for attention; he was using that sockpuppet maliciously, and he should get a punishment other than losing rights he had for a couple of months. ~JCM 22:53, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - Per AMK-TrevorOntario719
• Template:Weak Oppose I believe a short block is required.
   Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!}  22:58, October 9, 2014 (UTC) 

Block: 1 week

• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose while Auron's actions may be punishable by a block, he is not hostile and has taken this very well. He deserves no block. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:23, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose Wayyyyy too little. Joey ^(talk)
• Oppose - Per Joseph. --Spongebob456 ^talk 15:40, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose - Spongebob2567 23:28, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - Spike the Dragon (talk) 20:32, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - A block from the whole wiki isn't really needed... ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  21:59,10/9/2014 
• Support - Good. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 
• Support - I think this is the best block length.  Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!}  22:59, October 9, 2014 (UTC) 
• Weak Support - If the first won't work this shall do.-Trevor

Block: 1 month

• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose while Auron's actions may be punishable by a block, he is not hostile and has taken this very well. He deserves no block. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:23, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Support This is reasonable. Joey ^(talk)
• Support - Per Joseph. --Spongebob456 ^talk 15:40, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Neutral - I'd think rather about 6 months... Dinosaur250 (talk) 20:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose - Spongebob2567 23:28, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - ~summer 21:57, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - My and AMK's reasons above. ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  22:01,10/9/2014 
• Support - Good. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 
• Support - Per what I said above. ~JCM 22:53, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Neutral - Meh...  Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!}  23:09, October 9, 2014 (UTC) 

Block: 1 year

• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose while Auron's actions may be punishable by a block, he is not hostile and has taken this very well. He deserves no block. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:23, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Support I strongly support this. Joey ^(talk)
  • Why do you want him to have this long of a block?
     Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!}  23:08, October 9, 2014 (UTC) 
• Oppose - Too long. --Spongebob456 ^talk 15:41, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Neutral - Dinosaur250 (talk) 20:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose This is way too long... - Spongebob2567 23:28, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose This is too extreme anyway. ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  22:01,10/9/2014 
• Oppose - Toooo long. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose Waaaaaayyyyyyyy too long.
   Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!}  23:08, October 9, 2014 (UTC) 

UOTM suspension

How long should Auron be suspended from nomination for UOTM?

UOTM: None

• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose I highly doubt he will win anyway. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:24, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose Like, duh. :P Joey ^(talk)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose o.o Dinosaur250 (talk) 20:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose Spongebob2567 23:34, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose Used a sockpuppet account to nominate himself... ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  22:03,10/9/2014 
• Oppose - Cheater. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose He nominated AND voted for himself for UOTM.
   Nicko756 ^{(M•C•E) Sign!}  23:10, October 9, 2014 (UTC) 

UOTM: 6 months

• Template:Strong Support fair and most people agree. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:24, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose Nope. Joey ^(talk)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose Per Joseph. --Spongebob456 ^talk 15:41, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - Dinosaur250 (talk) 20:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Strong Support This would seem right. - Spongebob2567 23:34, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - Per AMK, again. Lumoshi (talk) 21:46, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - This is actually in the UTOM rules so I'm supporting this. ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  22:03,10/9/2014 
• Support - Good. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 

 

UOTM: 1 year

• Strong Oppose - too harsh. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:24, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Support Auron needs to be blocked from UOTM for 1 year. Here’s the logic: You get a 6 month suspension if you ask someone to vote for you. Well, guess what? AURON MADE ANOTHER ACCOUNT TO VOTE FOR HIM! That’s a billion times worse. In real life, that’s vote fraud… A FEDERAL CRIME! The punishment needs to at least be double. Joey ^(talk)
• Template:Extremely Strong Support At least... --Spongebob456 ^talk 15:43, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Strong Support Dinosaur250 (talk) 20:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose This is way too long... - Spongebob2567 23:34, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - ~summer 21:57, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose Too long there. ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  22:03,10/9/2014 
• Support - Good. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 

 

Rollback and Chat mod suspension

How long should Auron be suspended from Rollback and Chat mod?

Rollback & chat mod: 2 months

• Support - fair enough. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - Too small. Joey ^(talk)
• Support -Spongebob2567 23:41, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - It does seem miminal since he allowed the sockpuppet account to get rollback rights too... ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  22:06,10/9/2014 
• Oppose - Short. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 

 

Rollback & chat mod: 6 months

• Neutral - it's okay. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Weak Support - Alrighty. Joey ^(talk)
• Oppose -Spongebob2567 23:41, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - Lumoshi (talk) 21:46, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - ~summer 21:57, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - This one is okay. ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  22:06,10/9/2014 
• Support - GOod. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 
• Support - What I suggested in the last discussion. ~JCM 22:53, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

 

Rollback & chat mod: 1 year

• Oppose - too harsh. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Strong Support Suits the crime. Joey ^(talk)
• Template:Strong Support Dinosaur250 (talk) 20:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - This is way to long - Spongebob2567 23:41, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose Way too long. ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  22:06,10/9/2014 
• Support - Per Pretzel. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 

 

Administrator suspension

How long should Auron be suspended from requesting to be an administrator?

Admin: 6 months

• Support - fair. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose Too small. Joey ^(talk)
• Support - Good - Spongebob2567 23:45, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - Seems okay with me. ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  22:09,10/9/2014 
• Support - Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 

 

Admin: 12 months

• Neutral - It's okay. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - Still too small IMO. Joey ^(talk)
• Neutral -  - Spongebob2567 23:45, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - ~summer 21:57, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Neutral - Hmm...ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  22:09,10/9/2014 
• Support - Good. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 
• Support - What I suggested in the last discussion. ~JCM 22:53, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Admin: 18 months

• Oppose - too harsh. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Support Suits the crime. Joey ^(talk)
• Template:Strong Support Dinosaur250 (talk) 20:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose This is way to harsh - Spongebob2567 23:45, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose -whistles- That's a bit long there. Almost two years...ZeoSpark  Talk  Contribs  Edits  22:09,10/9/2014 
• Oppose - Long. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 

 

Voting suspension

How long should Auron be suspended from voting in discussions?

Voting: 1 month

• Support - fair for Auron's abuse of the system, but this is a wiki and everyone has a voice. The suspension should not be too long. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:28, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose -He had another account to vote for what he wanted, and he abused the whole discussion process! He needs to be suspended from voting on discussions for at least 3 months. Joey ^(talk)
• Support - Agree with Andrew - Spongebob2567 23:45, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - Short. Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 

 

Voting: 3 months

• Neutral - perhaps a bit too far. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:28, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - Just right. Joey ^(talk)
• Support - Dinosaur250 (talk) 20:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Neutral - - Spongebob2567 23:45, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Better - Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 
• Support - I'm good with that ~JCM 22:53, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Voting: 6 months

• Strong Oppose - too harsh. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:28, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - Can't hurt. Joey ^(talk)
• Strong Oppose - A litte to long... - Spongebob2567 23:45, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 

 

Voting: 12 months

• Strong Oppose - too harsh. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:28, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - Eh, a little much. Joey ^(talk)
• Strong Oppose - - Spongebob2567 23:45, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Support - ~summer 21:57, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014 

 

Voting: 18 months

• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose WAY too harsh. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 14:28, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - Too long. Joey ^(talk)
• Template:Extremely Strong Oppose The is WAY to long of a ban for voting! - Spongebob2567 23:45, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
• Too Extreme - Tan Ham Man 22:34,10/9/2014