Proposal Archive
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Date Resolved: February 22, 2018
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This page is the voting stage of this discussion: "Keep the trivia timeline templates less speculative."
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Proposal
I don't know if this really needs a proposal, considering that I could easily remove the speculative stuff in them myself, but mass removal of content may be unpleasant to some people, and so that's why I have decided to create a proposal.
Anyways, every time I go on an episode page, I see those timeline templates that document the time cards in the episode and what episode they allegedly take place before or after, with some speculative trivia items to back these claims up. Well, I personally don't support it and think the trivia sections/templates should be limited to official information. There's no legitimate proof that some episodes take place after others just because like a character does something that they never knew how to do in a certain episode (e.g. SpongeBob not knowing how to tie his shoes in "Your Shoe's Untied" but doing so in "Rock Bottom"). SpongeBob SquarePants is a show that lacks continuity. Speculation is not allowed in articles, and I like to help ESB in reaching its content accuracy goals, and I don't think these speculative bits of "timeline" trivia complies with it.
Unless this information is confirmed by the show's staff or explicitly stated in the episode, this is all just speculation. Speculation and fan theories are interesting, but not official and therefore stuff that shouldn't be included in articles. Also, I don't think the blog that 120d made about the first movie taking place in the 2030s is official despite it being used as a source in articles. RedBomb1 (M•C•E) 00:49, February 2, 2018 (UTC)
Voting concludes on February 15, 2018, at 12:49 a.m. UTC. RedBomb1 (M•C•E) 20:38, February 8, 2018 (UTC)
Votings
- Support - As proposer. I would also like to add that although it may "get rid of other people's work," unfortunately that is sort of the nature of wikis. Communities change over time and tend to add new policies whether or not others agree with them. RedBomb1 (M•C•E) 20:38, February 8, 2018 (UTC)
- Support - Roller (talk)
- Neutral - AFallenPower (Talk • Contributions)
- Oppose - Every wiki i've ever seen has some amount of speculation, otherwise, there is not much of a point in keeping those timeline templates. Xenos001 (talk)
- Comment - We are not other wikis though, so that is not important, and at ESB we do not allow speculation. Also, even if tjis proposal does pass, there still is point in keeping the timeline templates because: first off, there are some episodes that have been confirmed by the creators to take place in a certain time. Second, if SpongeBob is seen working at the Krusty Krab in an episode and knows who Mr. Krabs is, then that episode absolutely 100% takes place after "Help Wanted" because SpongeBob got his job in that episode; before that he was unemployed, as evidenced by "Today's the big day, Gary." Also, if SpongeBob and Patrick know who Sandy is, then that episode most definitely 100% takes place after "Tea at the Treedome" because they met her in that episode. You get the idea. RedBomb1 (M•C•E) 01:34, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - We are "other wikis", any wiki can be called that, and right now this is still like every other wiki, it has some form of speculation, it is impossible to get rid of it, and like I said before, without the speculation there is no need for the timelines. Xenos001 (talk)
- Comment - What I meant that comparing what we do to other wikis is out of the question, as those wikis have no affiliation with ESB. Also, might I add that even without the speculation, the timeline templates would still be neeeded, as they don't just document episodes; they also document the time cards in the episodes and what day or events they take place on, not just other episodes they allegedly take place before or after. RedBomb1 (M•C•E) 04:45, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
- Support - ѕqυι∂∂ℓєωαя∂ ❮мεssαgε ωαℓℓ ● cσηтяιвυтισηs ● ε∂ιтcσυηт❯ 01:37, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
- Neutral - DanzxvFan8275 (M•C•U•E) 02:04, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
- Neutral - Figmeister (W•C•E) 02:12, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - Okay, might I ask, why have some of you voted neutral for something that will help the editing policy's case? Unofficial information is best left unaddressed by articles. RedBomb1 (M•C•E) 02:14, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
- Moot - since speculation is already not allowed, this proposal does not really serve a purpose. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 17:37, February 12, 2018 (UTC)
- Neutral - The Awesome... Expert at Terraria! M B C E