ESB:Proposals/Hurt and Heal regulations (revision 1)

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Proposal

It seems that after my proposal, the surplus of Hurt and Heal threads has only gotten worse. Because of this, I am resubmitting my proposal with a few minor updates, which were contributed by some of the other moderators.

Also, when you see any rules that you believe that are too strict, please leave a concern so we can discuss it. It was disappointing that users opposed the original proposal for being too strict, yet never expressed any concerns. Have a nice day.  trevorontario  w  c  clickme 

• 1. No Hurt and Heal may have more than 70 contestants.
• 2. Hurt and Heals must be created with proper formatting, otherwise it will be closed. Proper formatting has been the formatting used in Hurt and Heal: Season 1, and in all subsequent Hurt and Heals.
• 3. If a Hurt and Heal exceeds one month in length, it will be closed early.
• 4. If a Hurt and Heal reaches the 500 message limit, it may not be continued.

• a. If the game is progressing a new thread may be created only once.

• i. Only the creator of the original thread may progress the thread.

• 5. No Hurt and Heal may have a minimum vote span of more than 3 hours.
• 6. If a normal Hurt and Heal does not have one contestant eliminated within three days, it will be closed.

• a. If the Hurt and Heal is in tournament format, it must have one character advance within one week.
• b. If the Hurt and Heal is a Hurt and Hurt, it must have one character eliminated within two weeks.

• 7. Discussion moderators and administrators may close Hurt and Heals for not being relevant to the wiki, SpongeBob SquarePants, or something more than 5 users are willing to participate in.
• 8. No Hurt and Heal may have contestants starting with more than 30 HP.

• a. If the Hurt and Heal is a Hurt and Hurt, contestants may not start with more than 135 HP.

• 9 If the Hurt and Heal uses users, you must ask for permission before you use them in your Hurt and Heal or variation of Hurt and Heal.

Concerns

Resolved concern: 50 contestants only?

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I think the 50 contestants only rule will ruin hurt and heals such as the monthly episode ones. I think that it should be raised to 70 was i have not seen a Hurt and Heal with over 70 contestants.  LuigiTheMurderer ^(M•C•E)  15:37, October 8, 2017 (UTC) 

Changed.  trevorontario  w  c  clickme 

75 sounds better in my honest opinion. Qwertyxp2000 II (talk | contribs) 22:21, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

Created concern: No, just... no

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"If a Hurt and Heal reaches the 500 message limit, it may not be continued." Who is gonna count 500 messages, we need more than that.

"If a normal Hurt and Heal does not have one contestant eliminated within three days, it will be closed." There is more than 15 Hurt and Heals going on right now, Some people's cannot progress in 3 days.

"No Hurt and Heal may have contestants starting with more than 30 HP." That makes absolutely NO sense.

It's not a game if it has these many strict rules. It makes it less fun, it shouldn't have to be rushed. Wall • Contrib

for "who is gonna count 500 messages," threads have a limit of 500 messages. a thread will automatically close once it reaches 500 messages, and it cannot be reopened. ѕqυι∂∂ℓєωαя∂ ^{❮мεssαgε ωαℓℓ ● cσηтяιвυтισηs ● ε∂ιтcσυηт❯ 16:51, October 8, 2017 (UTC)}

"Who is gonna count 500 messages, we need more than that." As Squiddleward said, 500 messages is the limit on how many messages can be posted on one single thread. Also, you do not need more than 500 messages. One thread is good enough to hold an entire game. Only in rare exceptions does a game need two threads.

"If a normal Hurt and Heal does not have one contestant eliminated within three days, it will be closed." There is more than 15 Hurt and Heals going on right now, Some people's cannot progress in 3 days. That is the point of the rule. There shouldn't be 15 Hurt and Heals, so this rule is going to remove the ones that aren't interesting users.

"No Hurt and Heal may have contestants starting with more than 30 HP." That makes absolutely NO sense."

It's to speed up the game, since most Hurt and Heal's take too long because of having way too much HP. trevorontario  w  c  clickme 

Contrary to your belief, I do not think these rules would take out the fun in hurt and heals and would actually help them out more. Hurt and Heals that take too long lose their popularity. Take Nick mick's cartoon one that's been going on for months. People rarely vote on it now in contrast with how many people used to participate at the beginning of the thread. The most expensive boss, Alex.sapre (talk) 15:06, October 9, 2017 (UTC)

Created concern: Too strict

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While I agree with the formatting rule and a few others, many of the new Hurt and Heals are boss battles, which play with the elements of the rules of the game (such as 500 HP contestants, 10 HP removals, e.t.c.), and adding these restriction will just suck out the fun.  SpongeBob13579 ^{(Wall/Contribs/Friends)} 

Correct. Qwertyxp2000 II (talk | contribs) 22:18, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

So true. That strict rules bothers me.  SnoopySpy aka Uzaylılarrr ^(M•C•E) 

Created concern: If less contestants issue

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Sometimes it is not plausible to have no allowance of more than 30 HP for a H&H with fewer than five contestants. That isn't fair on those types of H&Hs. Qwertyxp2000 II (talk | contribs) 22:20, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

Created concern: Voting certain rules

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There are some rules I definitely would agree on, but there are some I would definitely oppose on. If I could have the option to state which rules I would support and oppose and neutral, then I could go vote certain rules support and oppose and neutral, otherwise I would go vote all "oppose" in one vote. Qwertyxp2000 II (talk | contribs) 22:24, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

Created concern: Far too authoritarian

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I do not see any particular reason why these rules need to be set in fact, as we have had very few problems on the forums with the current Hurt and Heal rules. Lots of these rules are pointless, and as stated in other concerns, some can "ruin the fun". That said I do not disagree with everything: #2 and #9 are quite reasonable. Proper formatting should always be required, and as for #9 it could create problems when a user is put in a H&H without their permission and they want to be removed. Lumoshi (t • c) 00:22, October 11, 2017 (UTC)

Created concern: A bit strict

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Some of these rules are a bit too strict. Like #4 for example. Why is nobody not allowed to continue the game if it reaches 500 posts. It must end. And #2 is bad as well because what if someone doesn’t know how to create a proper format? These new rules can take away the fun of the game.

 Tyler730 ^(M•C•E)  20:37, October 10, 2017 (UTC) 

If it reaches 500 posts it's clearly been going on too long and can easily lag for a lot of users. Also threads have a limit of 500 messages already and the proposal says that users can make a part two thread if the game is progressing. The most expensive boss, Alex.sapre (talk) 21:47, October 12, 2017 (UTC)

Okay you have a point, but #2 is bad because someone wouldn’t know the proper format. Closing the thread would be very unfair.  Tyler730 ^(M•C•E)  18:13, October 14, 2017 (UTC) 

Created concern: Different voting for each rule?

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As stated by the users above, some rules I agree with and some I don’t. Why can’t we just vote on each rule separately instead of all of them at once?  LuigiTheMurderer ^(M•C•E)   

Created concern: Full Ban or Keep?

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I've had H&H problems as well I think we could do other things to it keep what it has or completely ban H&H -

This proposal is already causing a large amount of backlash, a complete ban would be worse.  trevorontario  w  c  clickme 

Created concern: Fairness

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My general concern is on the timing. Why on earth should there be a time limit of one month? Let's say for an example of a hurt and heal was abandoned and then someone 3 months later wanted to revived it, they won't be able too if the one month limit is a rule. That is redundant and there shouldn't be any limit towards hurt and heal except the 500 posts which is automatic. Also, no contestants start more than 30 HP, my current staff hurt and heal starts on 100 and again, this is too strict! Same thing with the hurt and hurt. This is nonsense and I don't get possibly how stricter it can possibly get? Oh an the rule about one contestant eliminated within 3 days is also rubbish. Like let's say users choose to heal characters more than hurt and they enjoy the game and eventually hurt after the three day period, this proposal will basically stop people from having fun. That is my point as most of the things you stated are very strict (in fact too strict!) and I doubt anyone will enjoy hurt and heal anymore with these new set of rules.

(Contact • Contrib) ' 01:19, October 13, 2017 (UTC)

I agree 100%.  SpongeBob13579 ^{(Wall/Contribs/Friends)} 

Resolved concern: Counter-proposal

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I think this should be divided into different parts for voting due to the mass amount of dislike for different parts. I also encourage everyone who dislikes this proposal to specifically state what their issue with it is and how it may be solved by changing/removing a rule. The most expensive boss, Alex.sapre (talk) 04:22, October 13, 2017 (UTC)

Resolved concern: Extend this proposal

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Just a comment here, but this proposal can be extended until the concerns are resolved, so that we don't have to have a number of proposals. Just keep discussing these until a good solution is determined. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 19:27, October 16, 2017 (UTC)

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