ESB:Proposals/Adding the page deletion option to assistant role

	Proposal Archive The following proposal has been discussed and is now marked as resolved. The page has been protected and now serves as an archive. Do not edit this page. Date Resolved: February 4, 2018 Result: Moved to voting.

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Proposal

Okay, so I've made this proposal before, and while I did get a fair amount of supports, the ones that didn't support gave biased reasoms like "0mG u might as well bee an admin if u do this", so I've decided to remake this proposal and negotiate longer and harder with everyone.

Anyways, yeah, implementing the ability to delete pages to the assistant role would be very useful for a multitude of reasons:

If we as assistants can move pages without leavig a redirect behind, which deletes the former title in the process, then why not?
Assistant is an editing role, and deleting pages is something that falls under the editing genre. So it's not like this proposal is asking them to delete comments or anything.
Although not a role on this wiki, content moderators (which is basically assistant only with the ability to delete content) have the ability to delete pages and they aren't admins.
For that reason above, I don't think that people will get confused if they look at a deletion log without the deleter's username in turquoise text as most admins' are.
There are so many pages that I as an assistant need to rename but can't because the destined title is already in use under a redirect, and to fix that I would need to delete the said redirect first and then the page renaming process would succeed.
Assistants have the second-most power on this wiki behind admins and this would be necessary; the assistant role is basically "admin jr."
People have told me that if this proposal passes and a user is an assistant with the discussion and chat moderator rights, then they are basically an admin without the ability to block, but that's not true; they still wouldn't be able to warn, close proposals, requests for deletion, user rights requests, block/chat ban reviews, update the ESB:Policy, or edit MediaWiki pages.

With all that being said, I think that the page deletion option should be added to the assistant role. RedBomb1 ^(M•C•E) 21:15, January 23, 2018 (UTC)

Concerns

Created concern: Content moderators

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We can just call them Content moderators and we’ve already had this proposal before. The Awesome... Expert at Terraria! M B C E

First off, proposals about the same topic are allowed to be recreated, and have even passed before when they didn't the first time, take the rollback tags proposal for example. Second, assistant is an editing role, and the Content Moderator role has the ability to delete comments in it, which does not fall under the editing genre. RedBomb1 ^(M•C•E) 22:04, January 23, 2018 (UTC)

Created concern: Differences between admin

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This would make the differences between administrators and assistants less relevant. If an assistant wants to have more abilities, they need to request adminship when the time is right. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 02:33, January 26, 2018 (UTC)

No it wouldn't; even if this proposal passes, there are a multitude of things an assistant can't do that admins can: deleting comments/messages, blocking users, archiving proposals, updating the policy and MediaWiki pages, and warning users. Also, refer to my point about Assistant being ESB's equivalent to Content Moderator and the fact that assistants can move a page without leaving a redirect behind, deleting the page's original title in the process. RedBomb1 ^(M•C•E) 05:19, January 31, 2018 (UTC)

Part of the reason we have these rolls seperate is that assistant is more inexperienced (usualy but not always) than admin. an assistant may accidentally delete a page if they are unfamiliar with the tools.

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