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After much deliberation, the following is a proposed new article to the ESB bylaws, in order to prevent spam and the massive amount of activity unrelated to content building in recent changes. There has been barely any rules regarding games, but now that it has become out of control, the administration has found it necessary to address this.
Article #. Games
A. The following games are not allowed in any form, whether it is forums or discussions. All such games will be immediately removed.
1. Games requiring the involvement of a certain user.
2. Games involving counting to a particular number, whether or not there is an interruption that would reset the counter.
3. Games that follow the format "Post X before someone posts Y."
4. Games relating to a function of running the wiki, which includes, but is not limited to banning users.
B. The following games are allowed on Discussions, but not the Forum.
1. True or False
2. Never Ending Story
3. Describe the Picture Above You, but images must be related to SpongeBob SquarePants.
Oppose - Sorry but it does not seem a good idea, above all, because all the games in the discussions and Hurt and Heals in the forum ?, seriously, I do not see what the difference, and bottom, the H & Hs are more active than the other games in the forums, so it would not change anything in the wiki activity, and besides, the games, you call them discussions ?, they're better as forum threads, so NO. A Wikia Contributor ITALIAN's return(M•C•E)
Reply - The hurt and heals would be kept in the forum because wikicode cannot be inputted on discussion threads / posts / whatever they decided to call them. While keeping Hurt and heals in the forum is ultimately not going to do as much as banishing all games off to discussions would do, there are still far, far too many counting games etc. that should begone with. - The gamer 987654321 (M.W.B.C.) 20:32, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Extremely Strong Support - Figmeister(W•C•E) 17:44, January 14, 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - I agree with some of what has been stipulated, but there's still some kinks that I think are being overlooked because some people complain about the activity feed being clogged up. All of A seems fine. Except for A4. B seems fine, if we ever get discussions and start using them (once FANDOM decides to ruin Forums and everything else, I'm out). C seems redundant, because when was the last Hurt and Heal you played in? I mean really. I haven't seen one in a while, and I think we've all worn the crap out of Hurt and Heals. They're good, but we've killed them. Part D leaves a back door open that, in the event the Administration gets triggered by a game, they can just kill it. FANDOM is about being a knowledge base for SpongeBob, which we have already achieved. Games are a good way to help maintain social relationships between users to maintain a strong editing environment. These rules tighten the ship, but don't actually help keep the idea of games intact. You're melting the brains, not shooting them out. It's having a ton of money in the bank, but you can't access it. I dunno. TanHamMan30px 18:07,1/14/2019
Neutral - I don't really like Part A but B, C, and D makes sense. Actiondude2 (M•C•U•E)
Vehemently Strong Support - It's about time. (Contact • Contrib) 18:39, January 14, 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - Although I don't quite like the "describe the blahblahbla but only SBSP images" idea, the images used in these games should not be deleted so that it doesn't break the games... Lcsmxd - Sharkist 18:50, January 14, 2019 (UTC)
Support - 100% support. Many of the games will still be kept on Discussions so users can still play them and Hurt and Heals are remaining on the forums. It detracts from the editing experience when you can't view recent changes easily with the amount of game edits on there. Here, we have the best of both worlds. Keeping many of the games, but making recent changes less cluttered. :) --Spongebob456talk 19:17, January 14, 2019 (UTC)
Neutral - A, D, and C make sense (mostly since not many of us play hurt and heals anymore), but I’m still torn about the entire B section just being allowed on the Discussions only. Then again, I’ve never used the Discussions and I am still not too familiar with it, so I have decided to stay somewhere in the middle for now. •кσσℓкιттү<мεssαgεωαℓℓ>(=^◡^=)• 20:20, January 14, 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - I do not like this idea and it's easy to tell why, sorry. SuperJoeyBros9 (talk) 20:21, January 14, 2019 (UTC)
Reply - Elaborate your passive aggressive presumption more please. What bit in particular do you really not think would be beneficial for the wiki? - The gamer 987654321 (M.W.B.C.) 20:32, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Extremely Strong Oppose - No. This physically pains me. Views
Reply - This physically paining you is rather pathetic. Trying to argue with you, however, I know will be pointless. - The gamer 987654321 (M.W.B.C.) 20:32, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Extremely Strong Support - Definitely necessary as forums are being replaced somewhat anyway and this floods the recent activity for any issues that may potentially occur. The Ninja5 Empire (Message Wall) 00:04, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - I see no point in any of this. Hurt and Heals are not as popular as the other games, and forums are far more efficient than Discussions. It would be a pity to close all our old game threads and could cause others to lose interest in the wiki. I believe that DTPAY should stay as is, and be allowed on Forums, along with True or False and Never Ending Story and Ban That User Above You. This is because these games have a long history on forums, and things would become really disorganized, in addition to off-discussions wiki activity probably dying, if this were the case. I also agree with others reasons for opposing. Chase McFly(Message Wall)(Contributions)
Reply - If these users who lose interest in the wiki only posted on game threads, then they were pointless anyway and would not be missed. The other games that you mentioned do not require code to work, therefore they can be banished to discussions along with the others. - The gamer 987654321 (M.W.B.C.) 20:32, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - Let the kids have their fun. It's a wiki about SpongeBob, not about the Holocaust. Why does everything have to be so serious all the time? ~JCM 02:56, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Reply - Was comparing it to the Holocaust, one of the greatest human tragedies of all time, really necessary, especially on a SpongeBob Wiki? The Ninja5 Empire (Message Wall) 02:58, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Reply -Does getting triggered also help the case about making an exaggerated point? TanHamMan30px 03:04,1/15/2019
Reply - You guys are getting messed up. He was comparing it to a holocaust WIKI, not the actual thing. --CheeseCrocker (talk) 03:06, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Comment - I still want to say that describe the image posted above should commit to all images, even non-SpongeBob images, as it is still the off-topic forums. I have no stance until then. BF10OrdersTipsAttendenceLogs 18:08, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Extremely Strong Support - - Anyone who votes against this is being extremely disingenuous. There is a massive problem here that needs to be solved, and this can only be for the best (for the encyclopaedia!) - The gamer 987654321 (M.W.B.C.) 20:32, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Strong Oppose - I don't really see this accomplishing much at all. First off, PointA is a 100% no from me. I don't even play those kinds of games, but straight up killing them all is not okay by any means. Other people enjoy playing those games and straight up deleting them all really isn't necessary. PointB doesn't make much sense either. Yes, Forums will become Discussions at a later date, but I don't see why those should be removed from Forums yet. A specific point I want to bring up is PointB3, I don't think DtPAY images should have to be strictly SpongeBob, as that would get pretty repetitive after a while. PointC I don't see much of a problem with. PointD is fine as well, but I think admins should let the new game go for a bit and see if it does well before taking it down. If it works, let it stay. If it doesn't then by all means, take it down. I don't think you should ask to move new games to forums though, as per what I said in PointB. -- 20:41, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Neutral - I do believe that the counting games should go but I still think that Describe the Picture Above You should have non-SB images as well. Tyler730(M•C•E) 20:44, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - Personally, I don't see this working out. That's just my opinion, though. ~ RockoRama
Oppose - there won't be many ideas in the describe the picture of the user above if it's only spongebob related? WoofWoofGam3r.
Extremely Strong Oppose - Lumoshi (t • c) 21:37, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Comment - To: The gamer: I don't think this will be a good idea because it
A. Doesn't make sense that you would only put SpongeBob images on the DTPTAUP
B. Never Ending Story fits better on the Fourms.
C. The first ones mentioned doesn't make sense that they would be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperJoeyBros9 (wall • contribs). Remember to sign your posts with ~~~~
Oppose - No way! I like my discussion games and I’m not gonna let them get taken away from the community. Scrooge200 (talk) 22:21, January 15, 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - Honestly this just complicates things more than they should be. FireMatch(W•C•E)
Reply - I see your point, but I still think getting rid of some games altogether is a little bogus. I don't think they are made specifically for edits, they're just fun things to do on this wiki. -- 00:44, January 16, 2019 (UTC)
Reply - Yes but there will be a sufficient amount of games still allowed to be played if this passes. There will just be some adjustments to them and/or restrictions on the other types of games. (Contact • Contrib) 00:48, January 16, 2019 (UTC)
Neutral - i dont understandOppose - I'd be playing fortnite instead. And you know how much I hate fortnite. AlternativeHuman93(M•C•E) 00:58, January 16, 2019 (UTC)
Extremely Strong Oppose - It just seems stupid to me. Like it completely ignores the fact that threaded forums will be replaced with discussions. I feel that both features should be treated the same at all times possible. And therefore I feel that everything that should be allowed in threaded forums should be allowed in discussions. And vice-versa. On top of that, I see little evidence that some games are made specifically for edits, rather than for fun. ― C.Syde(talk | contribs) 20:37, January 16, 2019 (UTC)
Oppose - I believe that I used to agree with this, but now I disagree. I mean, what were the problem with these games? Many people seemed to enjoy it. Thrat-anium
Neutral - I agree with the arguments for both sides, I'm completely undecided. DanzxvFan8275 (M•C•U•E) 04:07, January 19, 2019 (UTC)
Comment - I'll just go into full detail as to why I don't like this. I get that you are trying to make wiki activity more cleaner, but some of these rules make no sense. Like, why get rid of the banning games? What was wrong with them? Like, who's gonna think that people were actually banning people. Games requiring a certain user should be tweaked. I think if the user themselves makes the game about THEMSELVES, then it's fine. But otherwise, it's not fine. The other two are fine, since the counting games are barely fun anyways. Now onto B. True or False I'm fine with being on discussions, but NES? A big NO. There are a lot of NES games and it can be really hard to track all the games. Wee have this template to track them but since discussions doesn't have wikitext or even coding, we can't navigate through the NES parts easily and it would be a mess. Describe the picture could be fine, but the problem is that you can't really put already uploaded images on discussions, you are forced to upload brand new ones. This can be pretty frustrating. And the "only SpongeBob images" part is the stupidest thing ever. First of all, what was the problem with non-SpongeBob images? I know it's a SpongeBob wiki, but come on, who cares? And secondly, even if this was to be the case, people could just edit non-SpongeBob images to have some random SpongeBob thing in there. So why even make this rule in the first place? You know people will dislike it, yet you do it anyway. And sometimes, it's more fun to describe non-SpongeBob images, so why get rid of them? Moving on to C, which is fine. D is okay, but like others said, I think you should wait and see how the game if played out before you decide on removing it. Cause simply removing a game cause you think it is spammy without even seeing if it actually is spammy makes no sense. Let's also not forget the big elephant in the room: wikitext. Wikitext alone makes forum SO MUCH better than discussions. Unless discussions gets wikitext, than obviously people aren't gonna support this. In fact, like I said before with NES, it doesn't even allow template codes, so you can't add a template or do any of that stuff. You can only post stuff, which doesn't seem as fun as some of the stuff on the forum. I know threads will basically be replaced by forums, but that'll happen in like, a couple of years. This is not even the first attempt at this. You guys already did this ESB:Proposals/Moving games to Discussions/voting, and it didn't pass. Do you expect people to just "change" and accept this, when they already opposed THAT? Oh well, that's my opinion. Prove me wrong if you'd like. --CheeseCrocker (talk) 15:58, January 19, 2019 (UTC)
Comment - In addition to what CheeseCrocker said above and what I've already said, it's just good to remember that eventually FANDOM intends on killing the Forums on all Wikis all together. There are many things that make Forums more appeasing to Users than discussions. Wikitext and source coding are the biggest for me and I imagine many other users as well. You can upvote things (like Kudos) but you can't see who it was. You can't preview your submission to make sure everything looks good. And you have to leave the wiki to go to d/f and can't see recent changes in the activity feed (which I understand the irony of, of you trying to get rid of that problem in the first place. I'm looking at you ESB Crew). Not to mention that discussions just look bland and uninviting. It's a back and forth from the main page to the discussions and back again. There's a lot of challenges and differences just between the Forums and Discussions (which are both still on the wiki). But prematurely trying to kill the Forums just for some arguably petty reasons doesn't seem like it would go over well with the Users that actually use the Forums. Which is also just an interesting side note, I haven't seen anyone from the Crew actually post on the Discussions in some time, indicating how much they too love the Discussions v Forums. TanHamMan30px 16:17,1/19/2019
Oppose - Cheese and Tan make good points so I now oppose this. Tyler730(M•C•E) 16:23, January 19, 2019 (UTC)
Comment - Ok, because two of the opposes have detailed their reasons, I will also detail mine, because perhaps, with my previous post you would not understand well. A. But what is the reason?!?, Everyone has the right to have fun and make the games he wants, it is not right that they are removed, we do not transform ESB into a second Family Guy Wiki please. B. B. It makes no sense ... if you look closely, the games are in the "Off Topic, Fun and ' ' 'Games' ' ' section of the forums, I do not see where the problem is, and moreover, the games, call them discussions ?, seriously , I was in a forum in past, and the games were right in the Off Topic section of the forum, and there has was a game that was very similar to ESB's "True or False" and another similar to ESB's "Never Ending Story", so, I do not see where the reason is. C. I agree D. see A and B. A Wikia Contributor ITALIAN's return(M•C•E)