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Date Resolved: January 14, 2019
Result: Moved to voting.
This convention discussion concerns the following topic: "Fundamental issues - forum games."
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When we first started using the off topic forum for games, there were perhaps a few games there. Only Hurt and Heal games ever had any sort of policies. It's one thing to a few games, but it's another to have them get out of control. This is something that needs serious discussion. I will point to a few examples:
This is dependent on a single user's participation. It can result in other users creating such games that are dependent on their involvement. Also, there may be a case where a user names a game after another user, and relies upon that user to participate.
Games unrelated to SpongeBob SquarePants, even though it is off topic, follow the same concept. Post A before someone else posts B. The format of the game could be used for a topic related to SpongeBob SquarePants.
Again, another thread dependent on the involvement of a particular user.
Now, these are just a few examples from the first page of posts, but I am sure many of you have other concerns that have not been formally and officially discussion. These game threads actually make up for about 13% of all contributions in ESB's history. They take up space in recent changes, and are a magnet for spammers and trolls.
This is something that should have been discussed a while ago, but better late than never. Everyone's input and suggestions are welcome. Do we have guidelines on the types of games played? Do we have limit for certain games? Discuss below. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 23:02, January 8, 2019 (UTC)
I think games requiring the input of a specific user should be created by said user. This way they will automatically be following the thread, and it is clear that they are willing to participate since they have chosen to create the thread. ChickenkrispiesWCE 23:26, January 8, 2019 (UTC)
There should be some kind of classification of games. For instance, a counting game is counted as counting, True or False as such, Hurt and Heal as such, Episode ranking/opinions, non SpongeBob games (countries, food, etc.) as such and whatever else needs some kind of label. This I think would help organize the games in a better manner. Furthermore, I would argue that no more than one-three of any kind of game is going on (hurt and heals and episode ranking games being possible exceptions). This would limit the amount of spamming in recent activity. Also, if a User wishes to participate in a game of whatever, they are free to do so. Bringing up non-game related things, or wasting a reply space should be prohibited (unless a user clarifies what they are trying to say). That way games aren't disrupted, nor is space wasted in the precious 500 thread limit. TanHamMan30px 07:18,1/9/2019
Why is A3 not allowed? I don't see a problem with it. BatteriesIncluded.
I previously wrote out a long winded rant as a subtopic earlier, but I agree with all of that there. I suppose the reason you are insisting on some games being kept to the discussions is so that it will not clog up recent wiki activity like even about half of the threads we have at the moment would.
I just hope that this version can get through, and it's not bombarded by people who only play spam numbers opposing this modification because they've never made a main namespace edit in their life and doing this would remove the only thing that they use this wiki for. - The gamer 987654321 (M.W.B.C.) 15:50, January 9, 2019 (UTC)
I don't see a problem with A3. The other A's shouldn't be allowed, but A3 seems fine, imo. The B section, all of those should be allowed on the forum, except for images (both SB and non-SB related images) should be in discussion formats. Games are an important part to this wiki (to get users really connected, rarely do I see this on other wikis) but they have gotten a little out of control. All I see in recent changes is game edits. Someone said it has taken up 13% of all wiki traffic/space. And maybe there should be an additional rule of where, like in Hurt and Heals, Users can only respond every X hours. TanHamMan30px 16:12,1/9/2019
Keeping the B section in Discussions stops Recent Changes flood but still allows users to play games which, as you've said, is very important to some users. I think it's a fair compromise to move them on to Discussions. Good thing with that is, with Discussions, you can filter out what you see in the feed. You can filter out the games or just have the games in the filter if you're interested in them. --Spongebob456talk 16:28, January 9, 2019 (UTC)
This all looks good. For those concerned about A3, the problem is that they usually function very similar to A2 and are honestly quite spammy. ChickenkrispiesWCE 16:50, January 9, 2019 (UTC)
I think most of these are alright but why can’t we post non-SB images in the Describe the Picture Above You game? I mean I get that this is a SpongeBob wiki but this game is in the Off-Topic Board for a reason. Why else are there non-SpongeBob Hurt and Heals on this wiki? Tyler730(M•C•E) 17:11, January 9, 2019 (UTC)
I actually also agree with this. I'm fine with all the As and B1/B2, but I don't get why you want to move it to only SpongeBob pictures. Looks what happened the Hurt and Heals. The hurt and heals were nearly ended because there were loads of episode Hurt and Heals and people got bored of them. I get that this is a SpongeBob wiki, but if you allowed non-SpongeBob hurt and heals then non-SpongeBob pictures should be allowed to be posted to describe. I wouldn't be surprised if allowing only SpongeBob pictures ended the "Describe the picture posted above you" threads. BF10OrdersTipsAttendenceLogs 16:34, January 10, 2019 (UTC)
Because that decays the purpose of coming to ESB. ESB is not Community Central or Community Connect or a social arcade. It's a SpongeBob fansite. I have been very displeased of seeing superfluous games being spammed around. I fully agree with all of this. Some games seem immature like the counting ones. I personally don't find those types appealing but that's just me. But otherwise, it looks like a blunt way to increase your editcount.
Per Spongebob456, while I was agin to the comments proposal to eliminate them to clear the wiki activity a bit, there are lesser chances to find problematic users in a game forum. Especially if half of what I am witnessing is gratuitous. This drafted policy looks fine to approbate games that warrant a spot on this wiki. Many redundant games have plagued the forum boards for years, making them difficult to sort through as well as flooding the wiki activity unnecessarily. So I fully agree with this draft.
Mainly in response to Tanhamman on how users can connect through other ways such as chat or appropriately through forums/discussions. While the community has mildly revolved around games, this has been getting farcical to the point where ESB has almost lost its purpose of being part of a community to begin with. This is The SpongeBob SquarePants Wiki, The Encyclopedia SpongeBobia. (Contact • Contrib) 01:36, January 10, 2019 (UTC)
I'd prefer to keep things the way they were please and thank you. SuperJoeyBros9 (talk) 15:52, January 10, 2019 (UTC)
Person, keeping it the way it is is not feasible because of all the problems listed above. Your passive-aggressive response will change nothing when there is an obvious problem, if you have ever looked at Special:WikiActivity. However, considering that only 2% of your edits are main namespace, I see that you understand that if this were to go through, you would be able to spam numbers etc. far less. - The gamer 987654321 (M.W.B.C.) 15:59, January 10, 2019 (UTC)
Just to clear things up, non-SpongeBob SquarePants Hurt and Heals are still allowed. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 17:21, January 10, 2019 (UTC)
I have a better idea; why not make an ESB:Games wiki? It would be a wiki, where all you do is just play games, nothing else. That would solve this problem. We would delete all of the games on this wiki, to reduce all of the forums. Just like fanon content, if you made a game on this wiki, rather than its respective wiki, you'd be warned by an admin. Expert at
I was thinking of that idea as well. For people who are worried that you are still forced to use discussions, an easy way to solve that is to create a fake user account who you put message wall threads to. --CheeseCrocker (talk) 22:12, January 10, 2019 (UTC)
That will not be effective in the long term. I'm referring to the message wall threads tactic of games for those who don't like discussions. Fandom staff want to retire any threadengine feature: (forums, message walls, comments, blog posts) at some point in the future, therefore making this workaround ineffective long term. I'm not sure why you are trying to dodge reality of discussions being the future. Unless you had plans to do this to introduce hurt and heals, discussions is perfect for all other games. (Contact • Contrib) 23:34, January 10, 2019 (UTC)
@Golf Are you talking to me or Cheese? If you're talking to me, what I was saying is that we make a new wiki where it's just all games, in which they would be put in the discussions. Also, I can't believe Fandom is going to retire comments, message walls, and blog posts, as well as the forums. That's ridiculous. Expert at
I was talking to CheeseCrocker. Apologies for not clarifying. (Contact • Contrib) 00:02, January 11, 2019 (UTC)