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Date Resolved: March 3, 2018
Result: Moved to voting.
This convention discussion concerns the following topic: "Fundamental issues - Profanity."
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Hi, I'm Expert, and I'm proposing the following: I want to make "damn" and "hell" bad words and not allowed on the wiki. I know we've a propoal on this before, but I think "damn" is a pretty inappropriate word. Although it was used in The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie, but that was "damning," and that meaning means "causing or leading to condemnation or ruin." The bad word "damn" means a completely different thing. Also, this wiki is aimed at very young kids, (whom most parents would not allow their kid saying "damn," especially yery young ones, like ones who watch the show). If this proposal passed, "damning" would still be allowed on this wiki, but "damn" wouldn't. I also want to remove "hell," although "hell" isn't as bad as "damn," it is still a bad word. There are 2 meanings of hell, and they both aren't that great. First one is the bad word one, and the second one is the opposite of heaven (in Christianity). So basically, "hell" is a bad and religious word. Also, same thing with "damn," this is a wiki for yery young children (whom most parents would also not want their kids saying this word, especially at a very young age, like the ones who watch the show). I know most of you are like, TL;DR, but this is child safety, so kids don't learn bad words, and this is a child's wiki. Also, I hope this isn't a policy proposal, because I don't want this to be closed by AMK. I asked him here it would count as a policy proposal, but he never responded. So please, don't close this. The Awesome...Expert at Terraria!MBCE
Note: AMK152 moved this to convention discussion, as such an issue applies; broadening discussion to profanity in general.
"but I think "damn" is a pretty inappropriate word."
The word literally means to express surprise and anger. How inappropriate! But seriously, I don't see how that's a bad thing. Sure, there are other definitions, but keep in mind that the policy clearly says it can only be used when in an appropriate context, making this pointless.
"Also, this wiki is aimed at very young kids, (whom most parents would not allow their kid saying "damn," especially yery young ones, like ones who watch the show)."
Then that's parents being way too overprotective. That's not our problem.
" I also want to remove "hell," although "hell" isn't as bad as "damn," it is still a bad word."
That's subjective. There has been many strings of proof that "hell" is considered in between, and the debate of it being a swear word or not is based on opinion.
"First one is the bad word one, and the second one is the opposite of heaven (in Christianity)."
Let's think about this for a second. There is really nothing wrong with saying "what the hell," it just means that you're in extreme surprise or confusion. And with the other context - religious matters are not even allowed to be brought up here, and even when not talking about the location religiously - it should be fine, considering there are many locations in SpongeBob SquarePants that are basically Bikini Bottom's obvious representations of hell (such as Davy Jones' Locker).
"I know most of you are like, TL;DR, but this is child safety, so kids don't learn bad words, and this is a child's wiki."
I doubt that any child's mind would be totally changed if they heard a word like "hell" or "damn."
Hello! Billybob125poopz here. I have nothing too say beside I do agree with your ban on the word damn and keep damned although I do feel that hell could get a pass. I'm thinking either only allow it if your referring to the location, limit the uses or just allow it in it's entirety no matter the context, as long as people aren't saying something like "go too hell!" with it or anything I think it would be okay not to place a ban on the word. It may make some parents a little mad but that's just what they see as a bad word. If I could I would make it to where everyone considers Hell a good word rather than a bad word.
I see no problem with "damn" or "hell", there is absolutely no problem with saying those words, especially since you cannot use it against another user. It isn't like if a 8 year old sees some user say "hell" that they're gonna start saying it, very unlikely, as I'm sure they've heard their parents curse before. Xenos001 (talk)
I agree. ESB is a very professional community and should be treated as such. Using the words "damn" and "hell" does not show professionality at all. In fact, it's far from being professional. TimyNMario Co. (talk) 20:35, February 23, 2018 (UTC)
Why? That’s an unnecessary change. Is everyone forgetting about the true curse words?
I am not in support of banning those words, but the proper policy revisions for the voting stage would look like this:
A. User interaction
1. Do not attack other users personally. This includes but is not limited to: threatening the wiki and/or user(s), name-calling (including, but not limited to idiot, jerk, stupid, retard, etc.), derogatory statements, and use of profanity directed toward other users.
2. Do not discriminate other users based on their religion, political affiliation, sexual preference, or anything else. It is strongly recommended that users do not discuss these things as these may cause distress.
3. Do not use profanity. You can say "damn" as it was used in the first movie, possibly "hell" if in the context. This also meansincludesno use of the words such as "f***," even when used as an expletive.
4. Do not add or link to content that is inappropriate for younger readers/contributors
5. Do not correct other people's use of spelling and/or grammar on discussion pages, message walls, or the forums unless it is in regards to spelling and/or grammar use in an article.