ESB:Convention/Bylaws discussion - Real-life object pages/voting

	Convention Archive The following convention discussion has been discussed and is now marked as resolved. The page has been protected and now serves as an archive. Do not edit this page. Date Resolved: March 27, 2018 Result: Not passed.

Instructions

This page is the voting stage of this discussion: "Bylaws discussion - Real-life object pages."

With all concerns from the concern stage of this discussion having been resolved and taken into account, the proposal located in the "Proposal" section above has been created and moved to voting. To join the voting, you simply use buttons located in the "Voting" section of this page and fill the resulting page.

Have a happy voting!

Proposal

This proposed change to the provisional bylaws is in regards to Article III: Content.

• 4. Definitive content which is not relevant to have their own articles includes but is not limited to:

• a. Some very minor characters/characters with little information, such as only a single line or two.
• b. Certain objects, especially those with little information, such as only a single line or two.
• c. Common objects that also exist outside the SpongeBob SquarePants universe.
• c.d. Insignificant products that do not have a sufficient amount of information.
• d.e. Any implied content that does not have a sufficient amount of information. That can be included here: List of implied content.

Voting ends Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 3:30 p.m., eastern time. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 19:29, March 20, 2018 (UTC)

Voting

Choose your input: Support • Neutral • Oppose • Comment

• Oppose - After thinking about it, I would actually prefer that we do this on a case-by-case basis, much like we did with categories and the category blacklist. — AMK152 (Wall • Contrib) 19:30, March 20, 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - AFallenPower ^{(Talk • Contributions)}

• Oppose -  SpongeBob13579 ^{(Wall/Contribs/Friends)} 

• Support - We have a lot of unnecessary like that don't need to exist. I think the only ones we should keep are the ones that play major roles in the series.  RedBomb1 ^(M•C•E)  21:48, March 20, 2018 (UTC) 

• Oppose - (Contact • Contrib) 22:00, March 20, 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - •кσσℓкιттү <мεssαgε ωαℓℓ> (=^ ◡ ^=)• 22:02, March 20, 2018 (UTC)

• Comment - Wow, a lot of people voting oppose without providing an explanation. Just what I like to see....

I still stand by most of my points made in the proposal and I would like to hear what peoole have against. Speak up people! It's a free country after all! Anyways, here were my points raised:

"I think that pages about objects that already exist in real life should not be notable enough for an article. Just because they have played a major role in an episode does not mean they are notable to have an article, the reason being that they already exist in real life and did not originate in the SpongeBob SquarePants universe. I have created a lot of these pages, but looking back upon it, I think that it is silly.

Just because most of the pages are not stubs and some of these real-world objects actually have played roles in the show does not mean there should be pages on these topics. This is borderline a violation of the "Don't create pages on a bunch of random things that have no relevance to SpongeBob. We are not Wikipedia." rule in the Content policy, even if the information provided pertains to the objects' role in the series.

There are a lot of examples of these types of pages, but some that come to mind are Rubber duck, Lamp, Gas mask, Video camera, Hot air balloon, Oboe, Tuba, Bassinet, Cymbals, Cello, Piano, Whoopie cushion, Lip balm, Snow globe, Meter gun, Harp, Violin, Kazoo, Chocolate bar, Ketchup, Mustard, Mayo, Tea, Enchiladas, Spilled milk, Noodles, Hot dog, Donut, Fortune cookie, Sponge cake, Salad, Nachos, Strawberry bubble gum, Strawberry ice cream, Hash browns, Spaghetti, Milkshake, Hot chocolate, Sandwich, Chocolate milk, Jelly beans, Chili, Ax, Flamethrower, Tartar sauce, Slide whistle, Restraining order, DJ System, Training baton, Robot, Baguettes, Pepper, Toothpaste, Sun Block, Peas, Grease, Blancmange, Lima beans, Pizza sauce, Hash browns, Tuna, Fish sticks, Smoked sausage, Blood sausages, Joy buzzer, Chocolate syrup, Spaghetti, Fiber, Ice cream cake, Deviled eggs, Sushi, Clotted cream, Potato salad, Fruitcake, Jet pack, Night lights, Pay phone, and a few others. There are a lot more but those were all the ones I could think of from the top of my head.

Granted, I could just make Requests for Deletions for them, but it would be repetitive and meaningless using the same exact rational. Plus, this is proposing a new policy in regards to these types of pages, so simple RfDs wouldn't be enough.

I stated above as to why I do not think that real-world objects are not notable to have an article, but aside from that I would also like to add that I've been on other wikis and they don't have pages for things that already exist in real life, so I don't know why ESB is such a wiki to have insignificant pages like this. These topics are taken more seriously than they actually should be.

If you were to go on another wiki about another piece of media and create a page for something shown in the series that already exists in real life, an admin or content mod would most likely delete it and label it as insignificant. I think we as ESB should follow suit from here on.

Plus, even if these types of articles do sort of serve a purpose since these objects have appeared in memorable scenes and some people may want to know what episode they appeared in, I still don't think that it's important for such pages to exist; if people really wanted to know what episodes these objects apoear in, then they can just type the keywords in the wiki's search bar and they will most likely find out from the transcripts.

Also, there may be a lot of pages that link to these pages, but the links could easily be removed automatically by bot accounts.

In conclusion, I think that pages on objects should be limited to in-universe brands rather than things that already exist IRL. However, as Epxert said, I think that the only exceptions to this rule should be the pages Spatula, Bubbles, and Money since those objects have enough prominence throughout the series to warrant their own categories and are recognizable objects associated with certain characters throughout (Mr. Krabs loves money, there have been episodes about SpongeBob's obsession with his spatula, and bubble blowing is one of SB and Pat's hobbies).

Yes, I get it, it might be a waste of mainspace and remove people's work from the database, but we have had more drastic changes before. Plus, even so, we would still have a lot more of pages left on the wiki; this proposal passing would only get rid of a moderate amount of them."  RedBomb1 ^(M•C•E)  22:02, March 20, 2018 (UTC) 

• • Comment - You have no reason to post this, you already posted that blog, also I am curious as to why you always delete pages without a deletion request, unless you're allowed to. Xenos001 (talk)
    • Comment - You know Red, you don't have to provide a reasoning for your vote. You also didn't have to say everything that you said in the concerns stage. The Awesome... Expert at Terraria! M B C E

• Extremely Strong Oppose - The Awesome... Expert at Terraria! M B C E

• Oppose - Xenos001 (talk)

• Oppose - • тυмвlrdeѕхх • <мeѕѕage wall>

• Neutral -  DanzxvFan8275 (M•C•U•E)  23:44, March 20, 2018 (UTC) 

• Neutral - Qwertyxp2000 II (talk | contribs) 00:09, March 21, 2018 (UTC)

• Extremely Strong Oppose -  FlyingDutchmen (M•C•E)  11:32, March 21, 2018 (UTC) 

• Oppose -  SpongeBot678 ^(M•C•E)  16:37, March 21, 2018 (UTC) 

• Neutral - I find this weird. 2OldMenAndAComic

• Oppose -  Figmeister ^(W•C•E)  03:40, March 24, 2018 (UTC) 

• Support - I agree with you, those articles should be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaZapow (wall • contribs). Remember to sign your posts with ~~~~

• Oppose - RandomDSplayer 02:16, March 25, 2018 (UTC)